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AS POSTED BY WAYNE CHRISTOPHER DPPC CHAIR AND DIRECTOR OF OAHI
To the members of OAHI,
Within the last seven days some dramatic events have taken place. Your President....Phil Botrielle, Vice President...myself, and a Director....Mike Lipczynski have resigned. I have also resigned from the Chair of the DPPC. We have done so as a result of the moral and ethical bankrupcy of Guy Bataglini, Glenn Gogal, Phil Robinson, and in part Gerry Quackenbush and with the assistance of the Registrar. These individuals orchestrated these events in an effort to confine membership and control to the GTA having absolutely no regard for the members outside this area. They will also be the architects of OAHI's demise and to this point the root of all the friction between CAHPI and OAHI.
It is very unfortunate that we three have been forced into these actions as we all had hoped to create a change within OAHI that would be professionally recognized within our industry and publicly. However the conniving behaviors of these people proved greater than our desire to move forward. For years we have heard the membership scream for change but alas those screams fell on deaf ears but not without a fight by the three of us doing our job.
If the entire membership thinks there is a future for OAHI I strenuously recommend you think again. If you really want to change things then I would again strenuously recommend you take a stand, demand a special meeting, motion to replace these people with bonified volunteers who want to make a difference and place a moral and ethical value to our profession. Otherwise your dues are wasted.
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Allen Cavdek
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2009, 10:32:18 AM » |
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2009, 11:00:16 AM » |
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It would appear so. In my opinion had Oahi been inclusive and not run as a closed shop, and other duties fulfilled the industry would not currently have 7 associations in Ontario.
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GEORGE LUCK
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2009, 10:42:59 PM » |
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Years ago I had a conversation with one of the leading lights of the OAHI at that time. I advised him that the OAHI would be better off accepting everyone; getting as many inspectors inside the organization as they could and then set the standards while upgrading the membership. This inclusive model didn't appeal to them and they chose to support the exclusionary model that eventually contributed to their present troubles. Sadly, most of the other H.I. associations have followed suit.. . . . . . most.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2009, 12:34:56 AM » |
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George:
I can't quite follow your logic.
OAHI does not turn people away. They allow anyone and everyone to join the association, whether as a Student, Candidate, or whatever. You need no training or credentials to merely be accepted as you suggest.
The standards are set and the membership of each individual is upgraded as they progress.
I can't see how that deviates from the model you suggest.
If, however, you are suggesting that OAHI and other associations should accept everyone and make them 'Certified' inspectors immediately like iNACHI does, with no training, experience, education, or verified testing, then that would just be wrong.
Bill Mullen
PS: Few people can convince me to defend OAHI, so congratulations.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2009, 09:06:50 AM » |
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Yes Bill that whole OAHI thing has turned out rather well don't you think? As for marketing oneself as a "Student", you might as well hang a sign around your neck declaring that you have typhoid. So that whole "keep the riff-raff out" policy seems to have worked out well too.
However, I am sure that the powers left at the OAHI are thrilled that YOU have stepped into the fray in their defense.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2009, 01:41:26 PM » |
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As a matter of fact, George, I DO think the OAHI model has worked out, but those administering it have been deficient.
Why should someone with NO education or training and No experience in home inspecting be able to market their services to an unsuspecting public ? OAHI students agree to NOT inspect homes until they have reached a certain number of levels of training, and that makes sense to me.
How many surgeries does a first year medical student perform on his own ?
Bill Mullen
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2009, 03:27:31 PM » |
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Bill, let's cut right to the chase;
Show us statistics, numbers, surveys, whatever, that clearly show that there is such a huge problem with the accuracy of Canadian or even Ontarian Inspectors, that it justifies either this huge bureaucracy of licensing, or jumping into bed with, the now exposed lie of 40,000 Realtors, to solve. If your imaginary friend with no 'approved' education is causing such turmoil, let's see some real substantial proof. If you are right, then that should not be too much of a problem to supply.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2009, 03:57:33 PM » |
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George:
Keep burying your head in the sand and you'll be just fine.
Better yet, you keep working with your Teamster bosses so our industry reputation can get even worse, and I'll continue to work with people who want to transform this industry into being a profession.
Contact me a year from now and we'll see who is doing the best thing for the industry. I will gladly help you apply for your National Certification, because it will be your best bet for licensing.........ask your fellow Nachi folks in BC how much Nick and NACHI helped them.
Instead of arguing with me, how about answering a few of the questions people have been asking you and Mr. Umpleby about this union idea? That would be a better use of your time.
Bill Mullen PHPI; RHI
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2009, 04:22:52 PM » |
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You know Bill, you had a chance here. All you had to do was produce something . . . anything! But, as I suspected, you have nothing.
But you know what? We will contact you in a year or less because, there is always room for everyone even 'industry leaders' in the Conference and you will be welcomed aboard like every other EQUAL inspector.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2009, 05:18:29 PM » |
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I think the time has come even for diehard optimists to accept the fact that the defunct Ontario home inspection industry has finally reached its low point - and that the OAHI & CAHPI organizations are in fact no good for nothing. I believe however - that established home inspectors are digging their own and final grave if we continue to discuss our problems in public.
The recent court judgment against the “National Certificate Holder #00238" has certainly demonstrated that even the CAHPI accreditation - promoted as being the “Gold Standard of Competence” - is in fact meaningless and no guarantee that the accredited home inspector knows what he/she is talking about.
RUDOLF REUSSE - Home Inspector since 1976 - TORONTO
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2009, 06:32:56 PM » |
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You guys prefer to be stooges for the Teamsters, that's your right. You obviously have no interest in being recognized as professionals. Leave it at that and let the chips fall where they may.
George: I have never pushed for the NCP or licensing as a reaction to complaints against inspectors. That has been YOUR mantra. I have promoted these two issues because I want our industry to get the recognition and credibility it deserves through professionalism.
John, you really disappoint me. For months I went to the mat for you, (granted, I failed) trying to convince others that you had some merits that would qualify you to be a home inspector. Your sarcastic gratitude is overwhelming.
PHPIO now has 90 members, John, not 60. That could have been 91, but someone decided that after six months in the business he knew more than people with fifteen or twenty years.
Raymond, since when do you hang on every word that Mike Holmes utters? He is as wrong about the NCP and licensing as he is about almost everything else. The NCP is the strongest, most populated group of tested and certified inspectors in Canada, and it is the ONLY group that is recommended by CMHC.
I'll just mention once again the the National Certification Program will be there when you need it............and you will all need it.
Have fun running around with all your negative ideas guys, you all seem to get along so well. I, however want to socialize elsewhere with home inspectors who think as I do and want this to be a professional industry. See you all.
Bill Mullen
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2009, 09:04:25 PM » |
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"I have never pushed for the NCP or licensing as a reaction to complaints against inspectors."
Bill, you take my breath away. You make all kinds of ridiculous claims about 40,000 Realtors ready to force licensing and proclaim that your little group PHPIO is spear heading the drive to licensing and yet with a straight face can say that you "have never pushed for the NCP or licensing." You can form a group of like minded inspectors under the PHPIO banner and proclaim that it is a gateway to the NCP and expect us not to laugh at you? Even for you that is stretching credulity to the limit.
I am sorry that you have taken this so personally. I am sorry that by asking you to produce proof of your claims that the industry is badly flawed, you feel that you have been attacked. But that is the central question to any discussion of licensing and you again and again fail to provide that proof. But Bill, you show how little you have in your defense when you resort to personal attack and you have.
As far as being 'stooges' for the Teamsters and their lack of professionalism I can only say that I haven't heard anyone use the term "stooge" since the fall of the propaganda ministry in Moscow. And I should remind you that there are plenty of unionized professionals some of whom are teachers (right Claude?)
For your information Bill, John's estimate of 60 members is based on the estimate of how many members will be left in PHPIO after the first year of having the union as a viable alternative. That estimate is based on the number of positive responses we have received from present PHPIO members.
Finally Bill, we just want you to know that no matter what the fate of PHPIO, you will always have a place in the Union tent. Every inspector is welcome regardless of their beliefs. And every inspector will benefit from having their profession recognized by the government at all levels. Join us Bill.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2009, 07:01:29 PM » |
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Oh John, you don't need me. You and your uninformed babbling idiot friends seem quite capable of mocking and joking about everything anyone else writes. It might really amuse some others if you and George would actually answer some questions about how we can all live to be happy Teamsters. I see that Raymond has been appointed a union goon to squelch any tough questions like that poor Mr. Johnson legitimately asked. I guess every union needs someone to keep the membership in their rightful place, so why not someone omniscient like Raymond? No, John, I'm done wasting my time with losers like you. PS: Watch that you don't piss off your new buddy Raymond. If you ever decide to disagree with his smallest point, he will try use every action and every word you have uttered since you were a boy against you. Facts mean nothing to him. Give him one thread of a good rumour and he'll having it sound like Gospel within 24 hours. You see, Raymond is a very poor and vindictive loser, but he's starting to get used to it. He has a habit of picking the wrong teams to join. Bill Mullen |
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2009, 08:41:18 PM » |
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Bill. I feel sorry for you. Name calling is all you have left in your arsenal. Now ask yourself a question. "Do you feel lucky? Well do ya . . . . . PUNK?!"
Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
Really though. Why, when we have clearly stated that all inspectors will be treated as equals ( something you and you compatriots seem incapable of doing) would we elevate you or any of your 'drones' to a position of privilege by revealing anything to you? The answer is that you and all inspectors will receive all the answers at the same time. And that will be when we have them. We don't make up facts ( remember the 40,000 Realtors you threatened us with?) and when we have them ALL inspectors will have them.
You see Bull; even 'industry leaders' have no special place of honour; no rights that other inspectors do not have and certainly no special influence to exercise over anyone else in the union. But speaking as a babbling idiot stooge I want you to know that there is always a place for you with us. As an equal. Nothing more. Nothing less
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